Curse

dargon · Jul 23, 2006, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by Shadow Maruader

Heh wow lotz of discussion all i have to say is im comfortable it hits plenty of Criticals on the lvl 28s in raisu palace(most likely due to my 20/19 Sundering bow since it has armor penetration it increases my chances of striking with a critical hit)

Uhm, hate to break it to ya, but sundering doesn't increase your chance of a critical hit, it only increases the amount of damage you do on the off chance that it triggers the same time as the critical hit.

Lando Griffen · Jul 23, 2006, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Assassins try to find ways to make them seem more appealing to a group, but as a pvp'er who does some pve, I'd have to say using a bow is one of the worst uses for an assassin imaginable. Rangers need expertise to effectively use bows, even if you get back energy you have so much less utility than a regular barrager. If you're gonna be an assassin, either be a smart assassin with daggers, or do whatever you can to complete missions with henchmen. Don't compare assassin bow damage at 12 marksmanship to ranger bow damage at 16 marksmanship, instead, compare assassin damage at 16 dagger mastery to ranger damage at 16 marksmanship. If I want a ranger I'll take a ranger.

Faer · Jul 23, 2006, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by Shadow Maruader

Actualy would u rather
A-Have a Sin using Daggers run in and die b/c he doesn have hit and run skills
B-Have a Sin who is good with hit and run skills but hardly puts out Dmg
C-Have a Crit/Barrager who uses a bow hitting up to 50s on lvl 28s with critical hits and causing that foe to bleed,along with the 6 available targets close together.

Which would you rather prefer its pretty clear to me that Crit/Barrager is not a useless build at all.

I'll take a modified choice B, thanks, because as a dagger wielding Assassin, I know that I can dish out more damage in a shorter time than you can with your Critical Barrager build without resorting to trying to play at another Profession's game.

Assassins are made to be in-your-face-wtf-pwn!-and-GONE?! characters, not backline bowmen. Until more people start playing Assassins the way they should be played, and learning to improve, the hate for Assassins in PvE will never subside.

And by the way... 50 damage a hit with Bleeding on level 24+ foes? Sounds nice and all, but when your Assassin can match my Ranger's 80+ damage per hit (which, by the way, smokes you big time), then I'll be impressed.

Now, I'm not saying the Critical Barrager is a bad build. Not at all. What I'm saying is that people need to learn to play Assassins the way they are built to be played before they go off making fancy gimmick builds. I cleared the Factions campaign in a matter of days with my old Assassin, using henchies because groups were hard to come by. If I could do that with daggers, so can anyone else.

When people stop playing Assassins as Monks, Rangers, and Ritualists (among other obscure things), and start playing them like Assassins, then they will learn to properly deal with the "low" armor and close-range combos. When they learn to deal with being an Assassin, the hate will subside. Not before - only after.

Lord Oranos · Jul 24, 2006, 12:38 AM // 00:38

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Originally Posted by Avaith Faer

I'll take a modified choice B, thanks, because as a dagger wielding Assassin, I know that I can dish out more damage in a shorter time than you can with your Critical Barrager build without resorting to trying to play at another Profession's game.

Assassins are made to be in-your-face-wtf-pwn!-and-GONE?! characters, not backline bowmen. Until more people start playing Assassins the way they should be played, and learning to improve, the hate for Assassins in PvE will never subside.

And by the way... 50 damage a hit with Bleeding on level 24+ foes? Sounds nice and all, but when your Assassin can match my Ranger's 80+ damage per hit (which, by the way, smokes you big time), then I'll be impressed.

Now, I'm not saying the Critical Barrager is a bad build. Not at all. What I'm saying is that people need to learn to play Assassins the way they are built to be played before they go off making fancy gimmick builds. I cleared the Factions campaign in a matter of days with my old Assassin, using henchies because groups were hard to come by. If I could do that with daggers, so can anyone else.

When people stop playing Assassins as Monks, Rangers, and Ritualists (among other obscure things), and start playing them like Assassins, then they will learn to properly deal with the "low" armor and close-range combos. When they learn to deal with being an Assassin, the hate will subside. Not before - only after.

Im sure that explains Ele's Spamming Heal Party, and Touch Rangers as well...Assassins(I hope) should have more to them than what you see in the top guild battles. I still run a pure Assassin build, but Im sure this build has its perks...playing with real people being one...

Although I have had real groups as a pure Assassin.

But, if this is all they are meant to do, spike and run... then something is wrong... pretty much all the classes Ive seen have more than one way of playing.

JAGeAkurei · Jul 24, 2006, 02:47 AM // 02:47

Until Sin spikes are on par with Elem or N/R, you will continue to see off the wall hybrid builds.

As it stands with the Sins base attributes + skills, it is simply not possible to match other dps classes spikes. Given such there is little reason to roll a pure sin, unless that's your thing. Any theorycrafter is going to laugh at a sole Sin build and throw it away for countless better spike prof combos.

It's not a matter of people playing the class bad. The same is seen in EVERY class. Where some players are simply better than others. It's a matter of the math, and sin abilities simply don't add up like other classes. The math isn't terribly off, but you can tell it is after having 16 daggers long enough. Sorta like how Aspenwood feels just a little off when playing on defense. Not like omg remake the game, just tweak a couple %s.

I could rant on for hours, but this post is full of enough of them already.

Shadow Maruader · Jul 24, 2006, 03:00 AM // 03:00

lol how the hell was i supposed to know this topic would get so much discussion on it and im glad but i originaly hated the idea no one knew wat a crit/barrager was...anyhow i finished the game so i can start experimenting with dagger builds now... since i have not much use for pve only build i can start with dagger builds all around and see if i can come up with a beat down assassin build using daggers...Wish me luck everybody